The profession you entered is not the profession you lead today. Institutional revenue drivers have changed; in many cases they are more fragile. Our relationships with constituents has evolved – and the ways we engage with them, by necessity, are evolving as well. Public trust in higher education has eroded. And the advancement leader's role has expanded well beyond any single discipline, pulling us into address questions of institutional identity, political pressure, and societal relevance that our predecessors' predecessors never faced.

In this candid conversation, Paul Rucker sits down with outgoing CASE Board Chair Fritz Schroeder and incoming Board Chair Rachel Sandison to explore that tension directly. Fritz and Rachel have arrived at the top of this field by different paths. That difference is the point. What have we gotten right as the landscape shifted? Where have we been too slow to change? And what does it mean to lead well (not just effectively) from here?